NUFORC Sighting 42937

Occurred: 1992-12-15 20:00 Local - Approximate
Reported: 2005-03-13 16:46 Pacific
Duration: 5 to 8 minutes
No of observers: 2

Location: Fairview (Scott County), VA, USA

Shape: Disk
Characteristics: Lights on object

Two saucer-like objects with lights floating along a valley seen by two witnesses, went up the mountain and disappeared.

Until I had the conversations noted below, I had supposed that UFOs were certainly the figment of overactive but in some cases quite honest imaginations. I'm still not totally convinced of the reality of UFOs, but I am not now as sure of my original assumption because I have good reason to believe these two women told the truth.

The entire text of my notes (with names deleted as you requested)is submitted for whatever benefit it might be to your pursuits.

The two individuals below that I interviewed had no objection to this information being made public. They are both now living at the exact spot where the sighting occurred.

INTERVIEWS During a conversation in early February 1993, a neighbor of my mother mentioned that she and her daughter had seen two flying saucers. At that time, she seemed so unperturbed about the sighting that I more or less dismissed it as a subject of light and probably negligible conversation. When she later mentioned it again I became more interested and asked if she would mind going into the sighting in more detail and if I could take notes on the answers she might give to my questions. She readily agreed and said that her daughter would no doubt be glad to do the same.

Below are interview notes I made on April 25, 1993 with the mother, followed by interview notes with her daughter.

1. The mother came out of her house with her daughter, looked up and saw the 2 spacecraft. 2. She called the daughter's attention to them saying excitedly "What are those things?" 3. Daughter answered, "Mommy, what are those things?" 4. Two UFO's, each looking like two saucers with their outer rims fitted together, flying—floating just over the house, one in front of the other, down the slight valley and up the opposite valley to the top of the ridge.

5. Lights on the edge of he craft, clear lights, blinking off and on.

6. No noise, no smoke, no markings on the craft.

7. No seams, no doors, no windows—no apertures visible on the craft.

8. Could not have been a zeppelin or (weather) balloons or helicopter she was sure of that. She knew very well what each of these craft would have looked like.

9. The two women (husband/father had gone to bed early) had probably, she recalls, been watching TV.

10. Not sure of the date or even the month, but weather was cold.

11. No wind, no dogs barking and no background noises.

12. Craft seemed to ignore them, oblivious to their presence.

13. Did not speed up; did not turn off (until later), took no evasive action.

14. They climbed the mountain at constant height, did not bob or weave or speed up or slow down.

15. Stars were shining.

16. Turned sharply left, still one behind the other, and finally disappeared behind the trees on top of the ridge.

Copy of my notes made during the interview with the daughter at my temporary home in Virginia 4 27 93.

1. Cold weather—looked like two plates or saucers put together—this happened two or three years ago.

2. No (outside/yard) security light; no porch light was on; TV might have been on; no noises; no dogs (barking).

3. Went through gate—stars—cold—looked up—saw them before her mother did.

4. Over the house—twice as high as house—maintained altitude.

5. (Moving at) 5 miles per hour—fast walk (speed) 6. Dark gray—dull gray—not shining 7. Lights one color—didn't flash—orange and red (orange red).

8. In a row (one behind the other)—big things—6 feet tall man could easily stand up in one.

9. Man could stand up in its center (highest part).

10. Lights—just lights—no "headlights" effect.

11. Wasn't spinning.

12. Can't recall (detailed distinction between) bottom/top (of craft).

13. Heard no noise at all (from craft).

14. Wasn't a blimp; she fully knew what a blimp looks like.

15. Has ridden in a balloon—this was no balloon.

16. One solid light was on the edge. Edge appeared to be lit up all round but more intense at some points—(my interpretation of what she said).

17. Thirty seconds to the top of the ridge.

18. Turned and staying in row (one behind the other as they turned left—see below).

19. Could see just the shape of the lights (lighted configuration) at top of the ridge.

20. Had seen TV and read about UFOs of this same shape.

21. Bottom and top (of craft) same—looked the same.

22. Smooth; dull gray in color.

23. Dogs didn't bark.

24. Went over the other side of mountain after left turn.

25. Surface reflected lights.

26. Thought they (craft) were manned—assumed they were manned but did not feel she was actually being observed.

27. After 90 degree turn at top of ridge (mountain) they stayed in row and gradually disappeared on the other side as they followed the road out to the left.

At my request, (who has had some basic art training) drew a craft which resembles a smooth bottom, inverted bowl with the bottom of the craft convex but much more shallow than the top.

Additional notes I made after initial discussions with Gladys Wells a. Different colored lights blinked around the edges (changed this to say some clear lights" in interview of 4-26-93).

b. Each craft looked like two bowls or two dinner plates placed together.

c. Top rounded, slick.

d. Floated; floating (words used several times).

e. Noise (no motor, no exhaust, no sounds of any kind) f. Over the house; up the hollow/valley, turned left at top of ridge, following road out the ridge, (300 feet altitude?) and disappeared behind the tree line. No seams, no doors, no windows noted in the craft.

UFO INFO All thoughts below are premised primarily upon the accuracy of one sighting—by a neighbor and her daughter—, who, I believe, told the truth; who saw essentially what they think they saw, as detailed in the interview information given me in April l993.

My Own Scattered Thoughts Written Not Long After The Above Interviews Were Made The various sightings of UFOs have never been really photographed; that is to say: They have never been irrefutably photographed in a journalistic sense. Reportedly, UFOs of one description or another have been followed by pursuit planes and in such cases got away fast.

These ships have to be very valuable (vulnerable, however, to damage) or very secretive (shy). Why? Is this to protect themselves, their civilization or is it to protect us from a knowledge that we cannot handle? Which suggests that they are either manned (which seems unlikely) or mechanically manned, or, more likely, guided (monitored) from central points or from light years away.

The speed, the quiet energy, the flawless navigation, (possibly) unlimited source of power or ability to cross dimensions or cross/change time zones at will. All this suggests an intelligence capable of controlling earth, supervising it, intervening in any or all events, studying it as an earth scientist would study a "primitive" garden or exotic laboratory culture; earth being merely a thing of abiding curiosity.

Where do "they" come from? They would "come" from a time and speed derivation that we, at this point, are not capable of comprehending, or perhaps of accepting. Which means that human, conventional thinking and reasoning have not been able to even scratch the surface. If they are that intelligent, that powerful, and if they care about our world, what form does their "intervention" take? Why don't they help us solve our problems? Because this would render us dependent on them and our evolution would cease. Our efforts would cease; our life would be meaningless? This recalls the aborigines of Australia and natives of New Guinea whose cultures/lives were ruined by exposure to modern civilization.

Are we talking about a supreme being(s) here? Which brings us back to the same point—life, thought painful, hard and often apparently futile—there has to be a "purpose" by a "higher definition" that to this point at least, has for the most part (except theologically or emotionally) escaped us.

How do we—can we—should we try—to get in touch with them? If they are as superior as it appears, they will get in touch with us only when and if they are ready—which may be never.

RIDDLE: If these craft (UFOs) have been here or have visited earth for thousands of years, one must wonder if they have ceased to evolve, to make progress. —Or, another possibility—that these craft come from so far in deep space that this is a one-time space probe and these craft were programmed to stay here, study earth and possibly other planets and send back their information over a period of thousands or millions of years. In other words, they may be marooned relics of a long since disappeared and obsolete civilization and are now captives of their own programmed mission with nowhere to go—doomed to "probe" forever with no one at home to listen.

There is no way to "communicate" with these ships in a humanly traditional or personal way if the above hypothesis is reasonably accurate. However, if they are programmed for contact (such as by maneuvering with lights or responding to signals of various kinds) or making some response to certain stimuli, then some kind of communication seems possible but perhaps very limited. —Perhaps not more than a friendly, patronizing response—much like a human could communicate with a dolphin in the wild.

Another possibility is that these ships were sent here years ago under a space exploration program that has (1) performed its mission (2) the civilization that launched it no longer exists or because of evolutionary process no longer cares (3) has lost control or contact with these ships (4) that these probes will continue indefinitely—much like our "primitive" probes that were sent into outer space to wander for eternity among the stars and through the great expanse. But, if this (no. 4) is true, the technology that powers and programs these craft is so advanced that we are millions of years behind the creators of such machines.

All this brings up a point of logic. It is difficult to avoid edging over into theology here. Is it possible that these space machines are not only space "probes" from another, far-advanced, civilization millions of light years away (as we measure it—with our limitations) but are, in fact, machines that constantly monitor the meteorological, cosmological and seismological status of earth as well as all other human/non-human factors that influence life on earth? In other words, are we a "laboratory" or simply an intriguing but relatively primitive place in the universe that some "force" some super intelligence, for some reason perhaps unfathomable by our primitive logic sees fit to perpetuate? The difficulty in knowing or even approaching the answer to this is that our logic as compared with the logic of our benefactors (or tormentors as the case may be) would have to be so inferior that we cannot begin to even form a workable hypothesis—or can we? Is it possible that we are one of these: (a) a place where we are sent (recycled) to "learn" something that would help us in a higher civilization somewhere else? (2) A place where we are sent as a form of punishment (boot camp or even "purgatory") or rehabilitation as having been unfit for where we were before? (3) Are we, in fact, as far as our feeble logic can grasp it, in some kind of hell? —For what purpose? (The question that immediately arises here is how can we superimpose our definition of purpose upon an infinitely higher intelligence—after all, it was man within the past several hundred thousand years who invented the concept and word "purpose").

If these UFOs do exist in the form and behavior that I'm beginning to believe they might, then the apparent, often presumed, meaninglessness of life on earth comes into question. The theological explanation for the purpose of life would, in a sense, be verified though the details or description, at least of one level or dimension of authority or power, of the structure would be only vaguely correct.

The prime question here is: Can we reasonably expect that the intelligence behind these "machines" will ever make themselves comprehensively manifest to us. (Or, like God—the infinite—would it be literally impossible by definition?) How far will we have to advance for this to happen? What would it do to the human world if it did happen? Would life, as we know it, become even more meaningless? Would we become dependent (economically and emotionally) and thus so disillusioned that we would cease to be a "civilization"? –Or would the communication with this intelligence simply confirm the existence of God—the infinite? Then, where would faith go? —And what would that do to us? In other words, if we literally know that an "infinite" force exists and interacts with humanity, how would that knowing affect us? Are we ready for it? That is the question that this superior intelligence—if it is as benevolent or caring or at least not destructively hostile—as it certainly appears not to be—can apparently already answer and will not let itself be "known" until the right time comes—if ever! These craft seem to have definite form and substance—to be of metallic (or other durable) derivative, and the strobe lights, that are apparently of different colors and blink in some methodical or rhythmic order, appear to be for some purpose other than illumination.

(a) They have not been observed through another object—for example "like a ghost" passing through trees, mountains, buildings, etc.

(b) They seem to "escape" hurriedly only when close contact is made or pursuit is attempted.

Another possible facet: Is it possible that the appearance, behavior, existence of these craft do not depend upon the nature of these beings or upon their advanced technology, but in fact, derives from the very nature of the universe—time as related to space—of which concept we are so primeval in understanding? Could it be, therefore, that what we are seeing is not the flying machines from some distant planet, but is a fleeting manifestation of a 'spiritual' (for lack of a better term) realm about which we have no comprehension—much like a dung beetle who happens to be at the edge of an airport runway? The beetle feels the vibration of the airplane’s engines, glimpses the craft in motion but hasn't the slightest thought, nor could he ever have, as to what kind of people made the craft or for what purpose it is flown. In fact, such concepts are beyond the beetle’s comprehension. It is anathema to the ego, but I rather think that as related to the intelligence of UFOs as we begin to imagine them to be, we human beings are still at the dung beetle stage.

This is not as far-fetched as it may sound. Imagine that there are populated planets by the millions or billions, and that some or all of them are millennia older than our planet and the conditions of their environments were such as to promote intelligence at several times the speed of ours. No mathematical formula is necessary to conclude that such civilizations would long ago have learned to travel, or to send spacecraft, at the speed of light or perhaps even several million times faster. Their kind of 'travel' might be so advanced that distance has long since been conquered, and that "time" is only a force to be taken advantage of, not to be handicapped by.

But all the theories, all the possibilities, and all the fantasies mean little more than interesting exercises, until we can break into this new frontier with our brains. The problem obviously is: As we now perceive the universe, it seems to be a stacked deck. You can advance only in a "straight line" and can go no faster or no farther than the human mind can deal with. For example, had a cave man family of five suddenly stepped through a curtain onto the deck of a modern aircraft carrier, the effect for that family would no doubt be quite dramatic, if not mentally unmanageable.

It seems just as logical to begin with "what these UFOs are not, as with what they actually are. They are not: (1) Manned [[in the sense that little green men are inside]]. (2) Hostile, certainly in the short term. If it were otherwise, we would have long since been made toast. (3) Not intrusive. This would have already become manifest in their behavior. (3) Particularly concerned about what we think of them. –If so, they could certainly avoid detection altogether.

In fact, it seems that they are aloof, or perhaps more accurately, totally detached, as if the brains behind their being here, are either no longer in existence or are so much in advance of us that our existence is no more than dolphins to a cruise liner. The one possible (and chilling) exception to this might be that these craft have a far more sinister mission. –That they are fully equipped to manipulate the earth's inhabitants through mind control, much like experimental animals in a laboratory. –Which brings up another intriguing dimension to this subject. Is it not possible that these craft were responsible for the experimental seeding of earth with a hybrid, some sort of a cross between themselves and earth animals such as the ape several millennia in the past? Could they not now be monitoring our progress and therefore have a personal interest in whether or not we are capable of advancing on the ladder of successful evolution? Could their mission be simply a matter of scientific curiosity, a kind of space gardening project, a seeding of the various, infinite number of planets in all the solar systems with varieties of species for purposes so far above our intelligence that we could never begin to comprehend? I am inclined to believe that there have been no human contacts whatsoever; that there have been no encounters of the third kind, and that with the exception of simple chance sightings, all the rest of the UFO stories are pure baloney.

All this brings us back to where we began: An intelligence capable of traveling through time or sending space ships through time, or through space at the speed of light or even infinitely faster, would not, it seems to me, have the slightest interest in our terribly primitive existence. The one possible exception might be that we do show some promise of progressing technologically to a point where we would eventually have to be made a part of that vast network of intelligence. –Or we would become a sufficient nuisance in space travel or space communications that we would have to be severely dealt with.

Or could it be that there is some benevolent power behind these visitations to earth—that our planet or solar system is monitored, and cared for as an exotic but isolated garden, a thing of curiosity that is protected like we would protect endangered species?



NUFORC Note:

Witness indicates that date is approximate. PD


Posted 2005-05-24

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